Comments on: Lisbon Round-Up: Greens Say Yes and No Side Lies

By: Stephen Spillane - Practical Reason to Vote Yes: Crime

Stephen Spillane - Practical Reason to Vote Yes: Crime — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:03:30 +0000

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By: Stephen

Stephen — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:05:09 +0000

I agree, but its pooled soverignity, as we can get it back. EU can only control or limit where the Government agree to allow it too.

Areas included are debatable, but its a bit late now.

By: FERGUS O'ROURKE

FERGUS O'ROURKE — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:54:24 +0000

Membership of the EU has *always* required a certain loss of sovereignty, otherwise known as controlling and limiting your own affairs, (and I have no problem in principle with that). Lisbon will mean even more loss of sovereignty. I don’t have any problem with that in principle, either.

However, it is entirely debatable whether it is a good idea.

I will go further: it cannot be a good idea if it is NOT debatable.

By: Stephen Spillane - Too many Yes Groups?

Stephen Spillane - Too many Yes Groups? — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:13:48 +0000

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By: Stephen

Stephen — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:27:29 +0000

The EU will not control and EU will not limit. So they are not debatable

By: Fergus O'Rourke

Fergus O'Rourke — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:24:02 +0000

They are not lies/untruths, but debatable propositions.

By: Stephen

Stephen — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:02:59 +0000

Just for you Fergus, some of the Untruths:

“Because we (possibly) might make more money from voting yes for Lisbon we should let the EU also control our political & legislative systems.”

“There is no (real) need to expand the powers of the EU government and limit those of the individual national governments.”

Neither of those statements are true.

By: Fergus O'Rourke

Fergus O'Rourke — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:59:46 +0000

I am disappointed in you. “Spinning untruths” is a strong statement, but having visited Irish Election, I see nothing of the kind. I don’t agree with Evert on everything he has written there, but I see no untruth whatsoever.

By: Stephen

Stephen — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:55:05 +0000

Working on one!

By: Mark

Mark — Fri, 24 Jul 2009 18:39:50 +0000

Would love a counter-post on Everts one…