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		<title>By: Absolute Carmel &#187; What do you need in order to trust again?</title>
		<link>http://stephenspillane.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/the-flower-of-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-4309</link>
		<dc:creator>Absolute Carmel &#187; What do you need in order to trust again?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Stephen Spillane&#8217;s flower of identity [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://stephenspillane.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/the-flower-of-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-4085</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if Kieran like me you are rarely mistaken for Irish? 

While I agree national identity is important, but is that not super imposed upon the local identity. So why can there not be a European identity on top of this which I feel is important to me. Which is what this is all about really.

The flower excercies is great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if Kieran like me you are rarely mistaken for Irish? </p>
<p>While I agree national identity is important, but is that not super imposed upon the local identity. So why can there not be a European identity on top of this which I feel is important to me. Which is what this is all about really.</p>
<p>The flower excercies is great!</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Crotty</title>
		<link>http://stephenspillane.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/the-flower-of-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-4083</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran Crotty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your nationality is important in defining your cultural outlook. You are influenced from it the moment you become aware of stuff happening around you.  In Ireland if you come from Cork (City &amp; County) you have a different identity to someone from Dublin.  I sometimes think that Dubliners don&#039;t know that Cork actually exists or if it does then its a one street village...but I digress.

Even if you join a club/group/political party, follow a sport or become part of a tribe you are adopting the cloak of identity of that group whether you realise it or not.

Its good to be able to stand back and see this for what it is. I like the idea of the flower in the exercise. Not the first time I have come across it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your nationality is important in defining your cultural outlook. You are influenced from it the moment you become aware of stuff happening around you.  In Ireland if you come from Cork (City &amp; County) you have a different identity to someone from Dublin.  I sometimes think that Dubliners don&#8217;t know that Cork actually exists or if it does then its a one street village&#8230;but I digress.</p>
<p>Even if you join a club/group/political party, follow a sport or become part of a tribe you are adopting the cloak of identity of that group whether you realise it or not.</p>
<p>Its good to be able to stand back and see this for what it is. I like the idea of the flower in the exercise. Not the first time I have come across it.</p>
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		<title>By: Identity Crisis in the EuroBlogosphere? &#124; Joe Litobarski</title>
		<link>http://stephenspillane.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/the-flower-of-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-4009</link>
		<dc:creator>Identity Crisis in the EuroBlogosphere? &#124; Joe Litobarski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is apparently &#8220;identity.&#8221; Eurocentric wonders if he&#8217;s becoming more European, Stephen Spillane ponders what identity really means and Nosemonkey queries whether national identities are really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is apparently &#8220;identity.&#8221; Eurocentric wonders if he&#8217;s becoming more European, Stephen Spillane ponders what identity really means and Nosemonkey queries whether national identities are really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Litobarski</title>
		<link>http://stephenspillane.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/the-flower-of-identity/comment-page-1/#comment-4008</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Litobarski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if people also have an identity they assign to you, though? Maybe not the same identity that you have yourself, but your identity as others see you - especially if they don&#039;t know your personality. If somebody identifies you as German, Irish, straight, gay, etc., then it is only a stereotype of an identity, but that is still the label they have given you.

To be horribly nerdy - it&#039;s like &quot;tagging&quot; in Web 2.0. You can tag yourself, and other people can tag you. The tags don&#039;t give you all the information in a web-page, just one part (and it might be completely wrong).

I need to take a break from the internet, I think.

;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if people also have an identity they assign to you, though? Maybe not the same identity that you have yourself, but your identity as others see you &#8211; especially if they don&#8217;t know your personality. If somebody identifies you as German, Irish, straight, gay, etc., then it is only a stereotype of an identity, but that is still the label they have given you.</p>
<p>To be horribly nerdy &#8211; it&#8217;s like &#8220;tagging&#8221; in Web 2.0. You can tag yourself, and other people can tag you. The tags don&#8217;t give you all the information in a web-page, just one part (and it might be completely wrong).</p>
<p>I need to take a break from the internet, I think.</p>
<p> <img src='http://stephenspillane.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on the head Julien! I agree completely on your last paragraph, very well put!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on the head Julien! I agree completely on your last paragraph, very well put!</p>
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		<title>By: Julien Frisch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julien Frisch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking about this, I would say that it is easier to describe my own identity while for others it makes more sense to describe my personality.

My identity are the things I &lt;i&gt;identify&lt;/i&gt; with, which I relate to as part of my social background and surrounding, which in my case includes a European cosmopolitanism with German being my mother tongue, which influences my view on the world no matter if I want or not. As an academic I also feel connected to academic traditions such as critical thinking and the search for the truth, knowing that there is no such thing.

When it comes to my personality, I think I could only give a very subjective account, but the only advantage I have compared to others in this regard is that I know the full picture. For the rest, speaking about my personality myselft would be a rough guess at best and marketing at worst - I leave this to others.

In the end, identity has an influence on how I behave, and so identity definitely impacts my personality. So when others describe my personality, they might use things that I might describe as being part of my identity to talk about my personality - but they will never be able to talk about my identity, because only I feel I can define what this identity is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking about this, I would say that it is easier to describe my own identity while for others it makes more sense to describe my personality.</p>
<p>My identity are the things I <i>identify</i> with, which I relate to as part of my social background and surrounding, which in my case includes a European cosmopolitanism with German being my mother tongue, which influences my view on the world no matter if I want or not. As an academic I also feel connected to academic traditions such as critical thinking and the search for the truth, knowing that there is no such thing.</p>
<p>When it comes to my personality, I think I could only give a very subjective account, but the only advantage I have compared to others in this regard is that I know the full picture. For the rest, speaking about my personality myselft would be a rough guess at best and marketing at worst &#8211; I leave this to others.</p>
<p>In the end, identity has an influence on how I behave, and so identity definitely impacts my personality. So when others describe my personality, they might use things that I might describe as being part of my identity to talk about my personality &#8211; but they will never be able to talk about my identity, because only I feel I can define what this identity is.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CD,

you actually described it in the same way as I did to a friend! The last paragraph has been talken from my mind I tell ya! ;) Thanks for the comment though!</description>
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<p>you actually described it in the same way as I did to a friend! The last paragraph has been talken from my mind I tell ya! <img src='http://stephenspillane.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the comment though!</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting entry and question. nationality definitely isn&#039;t a defining characteristic of strangers. its not necessarily the first question you ask about a person when you meet someone them for the first time. 

its also not necessarily an absent identifier in friends. perhaps its the way you phrased the question, or perhaps you don&#039;t project &#039;irishness&#039; or talk about ireland with friends that much.  its also an unlikely answer from a fellow irish person. 

its also the medium:&quot;i associate &#039;male&#039; with you&quot; would not be a useful answer in response to a question like that on facebook etc.  i think people would be confused about fact and identity in a similar way even if nationality came up as something they associated with you. it seems an unlikely answer that someone would give even if it did come up. 

I do though think that nationality can be an identifying characteristic in some friends, as can &#039;national traits&#039;.  it really depends on the friend whether i would describe their nationality as a strong part of their identity &#039;she&#039;s so very proud/aware of being irish&#039; &#039;he&#039;s so serbian&#039;. that would be tapping into national stereotypes more than their nationality though. i could see myself also describing someone who wasn&#039;t german, as &#039;so german&#039;. or like what happens with you, &#039;he happens to be spanish, but i think of him first as warm and giving&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting entry and question. nationality definitely isn&#8217;t a defining characteristic of strangers. its not necessarily the first question you ask about a person when you meet someone them for the first time. </p>
<p>its also not necessarily an absent identifier in friends. perhaps its the way you phrased the question, or perhaps you don&#8217;t project &#8216;irishness&#8217; or talk about ireland with friends that much.  its also an unlikely answer from a fellow irish person. </p>
<p>its also the medium:&#8221;i associate &#8216;male&#8217; with you&#8221; would not be a useful answer in response to a question like that on facebook etc.  i think people would be confused about fact and identity in a similar way even if nationality came up as something they associated with you. it seems an unlikely answer that someone would give even if it did come up. </p>
<p>I do though think that nationality can be an identifying characteristic in some friends, as can &#8216;national traits&#8217;.  it really depends on the friend whether i would describe their nationality as a strong part of their identity &#8216;she&#8217;s so very proud/aware of being irish&#8217; &#8216;he&#8217;s so serbian&#8217;. that would be tapping into national stereotypes more than their nationality though. i could see myself also describing someone who wasn&#8217;t german, as &#8216;so german&#8217;. or like what happens with you, &#8216;he happens to be spanish, but i think of him first as warm and giving&#8217;.</p>
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